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		<title>By: The_Real_JeffS</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/02/17/surge-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-2639</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Real_JeffS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rats!  That should be:

(Post Operation Barbarossa war effort) - (Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) - (Allied support of USSR war effort) &quot;less than or equal to&quot; zero.

At best, the Soviet Union broke even morally and ethically at the end of WWII. And only went downhill from there until their collapse in 1989, thank God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rats!  That should be:</p>
<p>(Post Operation Barbarossa war effort) &#8211; (Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) &#8211; (Allied support of USSR war effort) &#8220;less than or equal to&#8221; zero.</p>
<p>At best, the Soviet Union broke even morally and ethically at the end of WWII. And only went downhill from there until their collapse in 1989, thank God.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Real_JeffS</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/02/17/surge-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-2638</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Real_JeffS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, a brilliant display of lackluster cognitive abilities!  

Watch closely as alphie ceases fellating Hitler and Stalin, leaps over Mussolini and Tojo, and turns to necrophilia with dead US troops, using Hussein as a pimp.  

A classic example of non-sequitors and mindless reiteration of dead talking points in a pathetic attempt to divert the thread away from his display of a massive ignorance of history.  

Specifically, alphies&#039; contention that the Soviet Union made a significant contribution to WWII conveniently ignores the fact that Stalin cooperated closely with Hitler by carving up Europe through a secret treaty known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.  Thus, the contribution of alphie&#039;s favorite totalitarian state to WWII was indeed significnat.....merely not in the benign and beneficial fashion that he would have us believe.

Prior to  Operation Barbarossa, the Soviet Union contributed directly to the war effort of Nazi Germany and the Axis Powers by enabling their ability to conquer most of Europe.  After 22 June 1941, the Soviet Union contributed directly to the Allied war effort.....but only after massive subsidies of war materiel from the United States.  

The WWII contribution by the USSR can be expressed simplistically by:

(Post Operation Barbarossa war effort) - (Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) - (Allied support of USSR war effort)  at best&lt;/i&gt; the Soviet Union broke even morally and ethically at the end of WWII.  And only went downhill from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, a brilliant display of lackluster cognitive abilities!  </p>
<p>Watch closely as alphie ceases fellating Hitler and Stalin, leaps over Mussolini and Tojo, and turns to necrophilia with dead US troops, using Hussein as a pimp.  </p>
<p>A classic example of non-sequitors and mindless reiteration of dead talking points in a pathetic attempt to divert the thread away from his display of a massive ignorance of history.  </p>
<p>Specifically, alphies&#8217; contention that the Soviet Union made a significant contribution to WWII conveniently ignores the fact that Stalin cooperated closely with Hitler by carving up Europe through a secret treaty known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.  Thus, the contribution of alphie&#8217;s favorite totalitarian state to WWII was indeed significnat&#8230;..merely not in the benign and beneficial fashion that he would have us believe.</p>
<p>Prior to  Operation Barbarossa, the Soviet Union contributed directly to the war effort of Nazi Germany and the Axis Powers by enabling their ability to conquer most of Europe.  After 22 June 1941, the Soviet Union contributed directly to the Allied war effort&#8230;..but only after massive subsidies of war materiel from the United States.  </p>
<p>The WWII contribution by the USSR can be expressed simplistically by:</p>
<p>(Post Operation Barbarossa war effort) &#8211; (Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) &#8211; (Allied support of USSR war effort)  at best the Soviet Union broke even morally and ethically at the end of WWII.  And only went downhill from there.</p>
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		<title>By: alphie</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/02/17/surge-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-2602</link>
		<dc:creator>alphie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We supported Saddam before we were against him, Jeff.

Are you saying all our troops dying in Iraq deserve to die?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We supported Saddam before we were against him, Jeff.</p>
<p>Are you saying all our troops dying in Iraq deserve to die?</p>
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		<title>By: The_Real_JeffS</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/02/17/surge-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-2601</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Real_JeffS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See what I mean, folks?  alphie is effectively fellating a dead murderous tyrant (Stalin) by ignoring the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact  of 1939*.  

Still, I suppose that if you look at the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact  from the perspective of Nazi Germany, yes, the Soviets did make a significant effort in WWII.  By being a base contributor to the &lt;i&gt;start&lt;/i&gt; of that conflict.....and costing them dearly in terms of casualties before it ended.  Dead bodies all around, that&#039;s what the Soviet Union contributed to the world during the period 1939 to 1945.

Hmmmmmm.....which means that alphie is actually fellating &lt;i&gt;two&lt;/i&gt; dead murderous tyrants: Stalin and Hitler, a veritable &lt;i&gt;menage a trois&lt;/i&gt;.  What would it take to include Mussolini and Tojo as well in this comfortable arrangement?

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*:  History challenged readers, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact for details; the article is fairly well balanced (for Wikipedia, I mean).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See what I mean, folks?  alphie is effectively fellating a dead murderous tyrant (Stalin) by ignoring the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact  of 1939*.  </p>
<p>Still, I suppose that if you look at the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact  from the perspective of Nazi Germany, yes, the Soviets did make a significant effort in WWII.  By being a base contributor to the <i>start</i> of that conflict&#8230;..and costing them dearly in terms of casualties before it ended.  Dead bodies all around, that&#8217;s what the Soviet Union contributed to the world during the period 1939 to 1945.</p>
<p>Hmmmmmm&#8230;..which means that alphie is actually fellating <i>two</i> dead murderous tyrants: Stalin and Hitler, a veritable <i>menage a trois</i>.  What would it take to include Mussolini and Tojo as well in this comfortable arrangement?</p>
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<p>*:  History challenged readers, please see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact</a> for details; the article is fairly well balanced (for Wikipedia, I mean).</p>
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		<title>By: alphie</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/02/17/surge-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-2586</link>
		<dc:creator>alphie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not go all the way and call me a dirty hippy, salty?

I don&#039;t mean to denigrate America&#039;s effort in the fight against Nazi Germany, but it was modest compared to the Soviets effort.

Anyone who uses it as a guide to our war in Iraq is being a rather sloppy propagandist.

There is no comparison between the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not go all the way and call me a dirty hippy, salty?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to denigrate America&#8217;s effort in the fight against Nazi Germany, but it was modest compared to the Soviets effort.</p>
<p>Anyone who uses it as a guide to our war in Iraq is being a rather sloppy propagandist.</p>
<p>There is no comparison between the two.</p>
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		<title>By: saltydog</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/02/17/surge-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-2583</link>
		<dc:creator>saltydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order to credit the alph, we must ignore the fact that Hitler was directly responsible for the deaths of fully half of that 90%.  Stalin killed as many, if not more, of his own as the Germans did.  Actual human beings are just so much fodder to totalitarian tyrants.  And to alphs, who sniff at the tremendous loss of life involved in the convoys taking material to Britain and Soviet Russia before America officially entered the European war, materials without which our future allies would not have survived long enough to be saved by us or anybody else.  Not enough human sacrifice to sate an alph.  Not nearly enough.

It is telling, however, that its complaint is that not enough Americans died to deserve credit in its eyes-- and, I suspect, the fact that it was America&#039;s business expertise and capacity that allowed the Allies of all stripes to win is also a sore spot causing irritation.  That&#039;s almost like cheating, throwing material instead of bodies.   

I met many alphs in the 60s and 70s.  Notice that today&#039;s alphs rarely feel the need to physically act to acquire their nourishment.  Today they can simply sit in front of a computer--a much safer method of feeding.  I suspect this is why we don&#039;t see more of them marching in the streets this time around.   

In the end, the alphs of the world are nothing but powerless second-handers.  An alph cannot exist except as a parasite on the mental work of others, be they yea- or nay-sayers.  As in most cases of human parasitism, the alph depends on the voluntary participation of its host.  What it dreads the most is that the host will cease to acquiesce in the feed.  Deny an alph a host, and like all parasites, it will slither off to feed elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to credit the alph, we must ignore the fact that Hitler was directly responsible for the deaths of fully half of that 90%.  Stalin killed as many, if not more, of his own as the Germans did.  Actual human beings are just so much fodder to totalitarian tyrants.  And to alphs, who sniff at the tremendous loss of life involved in the convoys taking material to Britain and Soviet Russia before America officially entered the European war, materials without which our future allies would not have survived long enough to be saved by us or anybody else.  Not enough human sacrifice to sate an alph.  Not nearly enough.</p>
<p>It is telling, however, that its complaint is that not enough Americans died to deserve credit in its eyes&#8211; and, I suspect, the fact that it was America&#8217;s business expertise and capacity that allowed the Allies of all stripes to win is also a sore spot causing irritation.  That&#8217;s almost like cheating, throwing material instead of bodies.   </p>
<p>I met many alphs in the 60s and 70s.  Notice that today&#8217;s alphs rarely feel the need to physically act to acquire their nourishment.  Today they can simply sit in front of a computer&#8211;a much safer method of feeding.  I suspect this is why we don&#8217;t see more of them marching in the streets this time around.   </p>
<p>In the end, the alphs of the world are nothing but powerless second-handers.  An alph cannot exist except as a parasite on the mental work of others, be they yea- or nay-sayers.  As in most cases of human parasitism, the alph depends on the voluntary participation of its host.  What it dreads the most is that the host will cease to acquiesce in the feed.  Deny an alph a host, and like all parasites, it will slither off to feed elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: CavMedic</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/02/17/surge-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-2576</link>
		<dc:creator>CavMedic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;America declared war on Germany in late 1941, Cav.&lt;/i&gt;

Wrong-Germany declared war on America.

&lt;i&gt;We got around to attacking German troops in 1943…in Africa.&lt;/i&gt;

Also wrong-operation Torch was in 1942 and was intended to stop Rommels efforts from trying to control mideast oil.

Of the 91,000 Germans taken prisoner at Stalingrad on 6,000 ever returned home.  German prisoners sent to U.S. POW camps fared much better, but by alphie&#039;s reasoning we should have killed more of them so that we could take more credit for the victory.

You really are a first-rate tool alphie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>America declared war on Germany in late 1941, Cav.</i></p>
<p>Wrong-Germany declared war on America.</p>
<p><i>We got around to attacking German troops in 1943…in Africa.</i></p>
<p>Also wrong-operation Torch was in 1942 and was intended to stop Rommels efforts from trying to control mideast oil.</p>
<p>Of the 91,000 Germans taken prisoner at Stalingrad on 6,000 ever returned home.  German prisoners sent to U.S. POW camps fared much better, but by alphie&#8217;s reasoning we should have killed more of them so that we could take more credit for the victory.</p>
<p>You really are a first-rate tool alphie.</p>
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		<title>By: alphie</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/02/17/surge-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-2568</link>
		<dc:creator>alphie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America declared war on Germany in late 1941, Cav.

We got around to attacking German troops in 1943...in Africa.

The Soviets on the Eastern Front accounted for 90% of the Nazi soldiers killed during WWII.

Spread the remaining 10% of the credit for defeating Hilter however you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America declared war on Germany in late 1941, Cav.</p>
<p>We got around to attacking German troops in 1943&#8230;in Africa.</p>
<p>The Soviets on the Eastern Front accounted for 90% of the Nazi soldiers killed during WWII.</p>
<p>Spread the remaining 10% of the credit for defeating Hilter however you want.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Real_JeffS</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/02/17/surge-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-2567</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Real_JeffS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Soviets made a deal with Hitler, who corncobbed them (with Stalin&#039;s hearty  cooperation) soon after Polad was &quot;consolidated&quot;.  Those millions of dead Soviets were a direct result of that pact with the Devil.  They fought bravely against the Nazis, but I don&#039;t see their contribution as strategically vital in WWII.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Soviets made a deal with Hitler, who corncobbed them (with Stalin&#8217;s hearty  cooperation) soon after Polad was &#8220;consolidated&#8221;.  Those millions of dead Soviets were a direct result of that pact with the Devil.  They fought bravely against the Nazis, but I don&#8217;t see their contribution as strategically vital in WWII.</p>
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		<title>By: CavMedic</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/02/17/surge-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-2563</link>
		<dc:creator>CavMedic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alphie&#039;s understanding of WWII is remarkable idiotic-even for him.  Just a quick note-in 1940, while the UK was busy with the Nazis pretty much all by themselves (excepting the honorable contributions of commonwealth partners Canada, Australia and New Zealand) the Soviets were helping carve up Poland.

Stalin then abandoned his carefully prepared defenses in the western USSR to consolidate his position in eastern Poland, opening the door for operation Barbarosa.  By that time, though, the Brits had dealt with the Luftwaffe and kept up a steady blockade of Europe-slowly strangling Germany.

We got into the war after the war came to us.  We contributed significantly to the effort in Europe and dealt with the Japanese virtually single-handedly.  Without us there was no real threat of invasion in France (or Italy), without that Hitler could have moved more of his forces into the east, beyond that who can say what the outcome would have been.

I&#039;ve heard the &quot;The Soviets did it all&quot; theory of WWII too many times to let it stand unanswered.  Apparently the Marxist revisionists who make up a significant part of our academy have shoved it wholesale into the young minds full of mush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alphie&#8217;s understanding of WWII is remarkable idiotic-even for him.  Just a quick note-in 1940, while the UK was busy with the Nazis pretty much all by themselves (excepting the honorable contributions of commonwealth partners Canada, Australia and New Zealand) the Soviets were helping carve up Poland.</p>
<p>Stalin then abandoned his carefully prepared defenses in the western USSR to consolidate his position in eastern Poland, opening the door for operation Barbarosa.  By that time, though, the Brits had dealt with the Luftwaffe and kept up a steady blockade of Europe-slowly strangling Germany.</p>
<p>We got into the war after the war came to us.  We contributed significantly to the effort in Europe and dealt with the Japanese virtually single-handedly.  Without us there was no real threat of invasion in France (or Italy), without that Hitler could have moved more of his forces into the east, beyond that who can say what the outcome would have been.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard the &#8220;The Soviets did it all&#8221; theory of WWII too many times to let it stand unanswered.  Apparently the Marxist revisionists who make up a significant part of our academy have shoved it wholesale into the young minds full of mush.</p>
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