Terror Yuks
Forget fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here. Apparently we don’t need to fight them over here, either. At least I think that’s what this ridiculous bit of  dog vomit of a post is trying to say.  Â
Wonkette thinks these six guys wanted to take over an Army base. Wonkette needs new specs. The plot was to kill as many U.S. soldiers as possible.Â
Carpetbagger is disappointed the Bush administration hasn’t been able to break up more serious terrorism attacks. The lack of follow-on successes on U.S. soil in the last 6 years is rather  discouraging, but if someone manages to get through, all these bozo plots busted will make provide great snarking material! Here’s a jumpstart on that. I like that ostrich with its head in the sand image on the bagger’s page, by the way. It works.
This guy is angry that everyone isn’t as worked up about violent homegrown militias. Maybe its a 9/11 thing.  Maybe its a numbers thing. I don’t know. I’m glad law enforcement is paying attention and catching those guys, too. I guess I wonder why it needs to be either/or, and which side this guy’s on when his reaction to a foiled al Qaeda* attack is to say, yeah, but what about them?  Â
Bozos like these … the jihadis, I mean, not the abovementioned bloggers … handed themselves over to the FBI when they sent their jihadi training vid out for commercial processing. Not so bright. But their plan otherwise appears to have been viable, and their act of stupidity gave the FBI a lead that still required 16 months of difficult and dangerous infiltration, gathering of evidence, looking for connections to others. Had the FBI dropped this ball or missed it, there could have been a very deadly attack.Â
A few weeks ago a suicidal crazy person demonstrated that it is possible to avoid legal intervention even when detected as a threat and acquire the weapons to kill 32 people. So what’s to prevent a suicidal religious fanatic who is smart enough to stay below the radar from doing the same? Or six of them. Six times 32 is 192. That’s a serious terrorist incident, one that could effectively shut down the United States in a panic for days or weeks.
* Semantic note: The FBI stated no link was found to al-Qaeda operatives. However, the FBI also stated that these guys were inspired by al-Qaeda videos. Under the al-Qaeda game plan of a hydra-headed jihad of small local groups inspired by al-Qaeda’s message, that would make them al-Qaeda. That is the nature of the enemy.Â
Posted by Jules Crittenden at 9:14 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2007
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May 9th, 2007 at 9:29 am
The FBI stated no link was found to al-Qaeda operatives. However, the FBI also stated that these guys were inspired by al-Qaeda videos… [being] inspired by al-Qaeda’s message, that would make them al-Qaeda. That is the nature of the enemy. ”
This is brilliant analysis. It must mean that J.D. Salinger was behind John Lennon’s assasination, that Robert de Niro was behind the attempted Reagan assasination, and that the Hale-Bopp comet itself was responsible for more than 30 cults deaths in L.A. It’s great to have investigative reporting like this rip the cover off these secrets.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:42 am
corndog, look up “non sequitur”. Or possibly “fool”. You might be enlightened.
Back O/T……
I was amused by Wonkette’s “analysis”:
Ok. So, the plot was: six dudes from New Jersey buy some guns and storm Fort Dix. The Fort Dix that is full of lots and lots of Army reservists with way, way more guns. And, like, extensive military training and shit. Yes, thank god these terrorists have been caught and locked up before they could be killed within minutes of deciding to carry out the dumbest fucking terrorist plot we’ve ever heard of.
Stateside, and overseas outside of combat zones, soldiers do not routinely carry weapons and ammo. Even though there are “way, way more guns”, they are locked up. Further, units generally don’t store a lot of ammo in their armories. This is the military’s version of a “gun free zone”*. Only the military police, and a few specific units for specific purposes might have ammunition and weapons co-located.
So the terrorists would have had a target rich environment until either someone got organized and counterattacked, or the terrorists ran out of ammo.
Clearly, the idiots at firedoglake and Wonkette** have no clue as to how things really work. That image of an ostrisch with it’s head in the sand is nearly correct; it’s head should be up its butt.
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*: In this context, talk about an oxymoron!!!!
**: Referring to firedoglake and Wonkette as “clueless idiots” is redundant, I know, but I wanted to very clear.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:49 am
By Corndog’s logic there was no connection between Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King, either.
May 9th, 2007 at 10:10 am
Nor any connection between flour and bread, for that matter.
May 9th, 2007 at 10:23 am
Well, no Mgmax, by Jules’ logic (definitely not my logic), that is wrong.
Rosa Parks was a member and was advised by the NAACP, as was Martin Luther King, Jr. Jules is saying that someone who watches a video and is inspired to do violence establishes a “connection.” Which is as smart as saying that there was a connection between JD Salinger and Mark David Chapman.
Jeffy’s analogy also falls flat (hah!).
May 9th, 2007 at 10:38 am
Eehhh, corndog, you dipstick. Your analogy would work if Catcher in the Rye explicitly urged what Chapman did. Or do you think storming a US Army base with an eye to inflicting maximum casualties is not at all what al Qaida had in mind when it put out those tapes?
Aw, get me. Arguing with a troll.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Weasel, using logic with corndog is like mixing oil and water. You can put them in the same bowl, but without something to bind them together, there will be a clear separation between them.
What might be a good binder for corndog and logic? Maybe a cure for his terminal BDS…….or a smack along side his head with a clue by four.
But corndog ain’t a troll. Just a member of the Legion Of The Clueless™, is all he is.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:20 am
Sweesil,
To Chapman, Catcher in the Rye very much had an explicit commandment for him to do what he did, so I guess you’re saying my analogy works. Thanks for the support.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:33 am
And, oddly enough, your analogy works for the wannabe NJ terrorists being inspired by Al Quaeda videos.
I’m sure that Jules appreciates your support!
May 9th, 2007 at 11:35 am
Web Reconnaissance for 05/09/2007
A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention.
May 9th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Jeffy,
That’s just what I’m saying. That is exactly his, uh, “logic.”
May 9th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Excellent, corndog! I’m glad that you agree that the NJ terrorists were inspired by AQ videos, a 180 degree change from your very first post.
I mean, it’s well known that Robert DeNiro didn’t deliberately set out to inspire losers like John Hinckley to kill people, nor that rational people seriously believe celestial bodies cause mass suicides by goofball cults.
Congratulations! You’re coming back from the dark side!
May 9th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
Al Qaeda uses video as a recruiting and propagandizing tool. These jihadi-wannabes were caught with weapons after viewing the videos, practicing out in the pastures, and making a damning video of their own. Plus, they were ratted out by informants after six months of undercover work. What about that is so hard to understand?
May 9th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
They weren’t issued official membership cards, and enrolled in the 401k. Therefore, they weren’t al-Qaeda.
May 9th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
Mgmax
And these jokers said they were al Qaeda, therefore, they’re al Qaeda and let’s all duck and cower. What you’re doing is, you’re handing al Qaeda a huge amount of power that they don’t actually have. I wonder why you’d give them that.
By your reasoning, the guy who shot up the Stockton school was Hezbullah because he said so. Sirhan Sirhan was a PLO agent because he said so. Use some reasoning skills.
May 9th, 2007 at 6:09 pm
What about that is so hard to understand?
Because understanding that would a visible support of Bush, Rebecca. Therefore, any connection, no matter how obvious, must be denied, at any cost, for any reason.
This is also known as “grasping at straws”.
May 9th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Now, just so we remember what has corndog all twitterpaited:
* Semantic note: The FBI stated no link was found to al-Qaeda operatives. However, the FBI also stated that these guys were inspired by al-Qaeda videos. Under the al-Qaeda game plan of a hydra-headed jihad of small local groups inspired by al-Qaeda’s message, that would make them al-Qaeda. That is the nature of the enemy.
A small group of Muslims plans to conduct a terrorist attack. They were inspired by Al-Qaeda videos produced by Al-Qaeda for the purpose of inspiring small groups of Muslims to conduct terrorists attacks.
Al-Qaeda wants to use multiple organizations and individuals because they are harder to track than formal organizations, and much harder to destroy (as Hercules found out). Thus, they encourage jihad through the INTERNET and fiery sermons in mosques in Islamic terms, reaching out to Muslims who are willing to listen because Islamic law says that they must.
So these NJ terrorists were, by Al-Qaeda’s own definition, members of Al-Qaeda. They did not need to fill out forms and pay dues to get a bona fide AQ Membership Card™, signed by bin Laden with the blood of an infidel. Their very actions made them members of Al-Qaeda.
And that sound y’all heard was corndog clapping his hands over his ears, closing his eyes, and shouting, “LA LA LA LA LA!!!! I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!! LA LA LA LA LA!!!!“
May 9th, 2007 at 6:53 pm
Real JeffS–Who will these bozos blame when Bush is no longer in office? Do they believe that the Islamic terrorists, doing their thing since at least the Munich Olympics, will magically cease and desist in January ‘09?
May 9th, 2007 at 9:06 pm
Forbes, I’m expecting the nutroots to drop dead en masse after going cold turkey from their daily fixes of Bush Hatred™, in late January 2009.
You watch. Even Lancet won’t be able to keep up with the death toll. We might even see the extinction of Homo Sapien Leftus.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:19 am
Forbes, Bush will be as guilty, for everything, forever, as Nixon was. Liberals assuage their guilt by finding a conservative bogyman. No muss no fuss. If we (editorially speaking) liberals screw it up then trot out Bush, the all around, and general, scapegoat.
Jeff’s response will be by the more rabid. My response will be by those who find it an imposition to stand by their principles.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:47 am
Mike, I never considered the possibility that liberals have principles. Maybe it’s just a matter of degree of BDS.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:26 am
I am going to give Corndog this much– when one calls them “al-Qaeda,” one should be careful to make it clear one means “More sociopathic losers who watched al-Qaeda videos and went and got themselves into trouble in al-Qaeda’s name,” not “Agents of the highly sophisticated al-Qaemintern currently hiding under my bed.”
There is a tendency to exaggerate these things. We don’t want to be like Truthers, bending everything to fit a conspiratorial worldview. It is enough that part of al-Qaeda’s plan is to inspire freelance activity like this, and as often been noted, too often the media downplay the connections, the fact that someone drew inspiration from al-Qaeda and killed for Islam. We can correct that while making clear how far we mean the connection goes, and no farther.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:15 am
Mgmax,
There you go. All I’m sayin’.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:40 am
Well, that wasn’t how anyone seemed to take that first sarcastic comment, I have to say. I take sending out videos exhorting freelance violence to be a long way from a crazy guy reading crazy stuff into a novel.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:52 am
corndog, that was not what you were saying at first. You really need to work on the irony angle. And practise the sarcasm.
Mgmax, nice summary of the Al-Qaeda strategy! Perhaps one could use the analogy of “copycat criminals”, people who commit crimes based on highly publicized crimes.
May 11th, 2007 at 8:49 am
Oops, Jeffy -
Now it looks like the Ft Dix Six were actually FBI agents:
“He railed against the United States, helped scout out military installations for attack, offered to introduce his comrades to an arms dealer and gave them a list of weapons he could procure, including machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades.
These were not the actions of a terrorist but of a paid FBI informant who helped bring down an alleged plot by six Muslim men to massacre U.S. soldiers at New Jersey’s Fort Dix.”