Statehood, Please
Because they are clearly ready for it:
Two killed in gunfight at Hamas funeral.
Reporter’s family trapped in Gaza gunfire.
Unity fractures as Palestinians battle in Gaza.
Palestinian unity doomed from the start.
So many to choose from, but my personal favorite, An Israeli helicopter launched missiles at a Hamas command centre in the southern Gaza Strip yesterday, killing at least four people, after Hamas fired rocket barrages into Israel in an apparent attempt to draw it into the Palestinian in-fighting.
Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Tony Blair, the Iraq Study Group … all these people has said peace in Iraq hinges on peace between the Palestinians and Israel. No mention of peace between the Palestinians.
The Palestinians, as I’ve mentioned before, have had a harsh lesson in democracy. The political process does not end with the vote. Then, you get to live … or die … with the consequences of your action.
If the prospects of peace anywhere depend on the Palestinians, then we’d better arm up, because we’re all going to be at this for a while.
Bob Owens: hey, how come we didn’t hear about this? Rockets hit a high school vs. missiles kill terrorists. Guess who wins the headlines.
Captains Quarters: some of them are finally figuring it out.
Blackfive mentions rumblings of Egypt taking over Gaza (again) and Jordan taking over the West Bank (again). Except it has the potential to be a vast improvement and could show that Arabs actually are interested in the welfare of the fellow Arabs. Probably would result in Arabs fighting an Arab occupation, however. Which would go a long way to dispelling that Crusader-Zionist thing. Except, of course, it would all be our Crusader-Zionist fault. Rumblings here.
Topics: middle east
Posted by Jules Crittenden at 7:48 am on Thursday, May 17, 2007
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May 17th, 2007 at 9:43 am
The Palestinians have little chance of running their own state as they refuse to act responsibly. The last act was to vote thugs into office.
This civil war is long overdue. I don’t care to see so much blood spilled, but this is a direct result of pandering to the Palestinians just to get at Israel.
The other Arab states haven’t helped by encouraging the Palis to behave like spoiled children. It would be comical except these are armed thugs, not children throwing tantrums.
OTOH, they’re killing each other, not us. So there is a bright side to this.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:23 am
I hope that Egypt and Jordan are forced to take over these territories rather than Israel. If they do, that may be the end of the “Palestinian Question” forever, because the Egyptians and Jordanians will be merciless in suppressing troublemakers. If the Palis are allowed to remain a distinct people at all, they’ll be trotted out annually as the resident boohoo basket case in need of UN aid, which the Egyptians and Jordanians will promptly steal. They’ll have absolutely no say in their own future. Too bad for them, but they had their chance.
May 17th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
Sounds like by your standards, Iraqis don’t “deserve” their own country either because they “refuse to act responsibly” and are like “children throwing tantrums.” But maybe Jeffy can find a bright side to all the violence there as well.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
maybe Jeffy can find a bright side to all the violence there as well.
Lots of jihadis dying works for me.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
Don’t know if you’re paying much attention, PA, but they’re Shiites, Sunnis, Christians and sometimes Kurds doing almost all the dying. Nice it’s working for you.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
Sounds like by your standards, Iraqis don’t “deserve” their own country either because they “refuse to act responsibly” and are like “children throwing tantrums.”
Follow the news, corndog. Read about the Iraqi Army, and the Iraqi Police, who are doing more to bring peace to Iraq in one day than the Palis will in an entire generation.
Oh, wait, sorry…..I mean, check out all those wingnut blogs that are in lockstep with Emperor Chimpy, and his Evil Minion, Lord Karl™. You won’t find a lot about the IA and IP in the main news. Funny that.
Don’t know if you’re paying much attention, PA, but they’re Shiites, Sunnis, Christians and sometimes Kurds doing almost all the dying. Nice it’s working for you.
Hey, wow, corndog actually cares about the brown people! All those mass graves actually mean something to him!
/sarcasm
BTW, corndog…..those jihadis that are dying? They’re also Shi’a and Sunni. Except they are killing Shi’as, Sunnis, Christians, Kurds, Jews, and so on. I’m sure that you don’t see the difference, but I expect that’s due more to willful ignorance on your part than anything else.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
Jeffy,
That’s great news! I guess there aren’t any rockets hitting schools, gunfights at funerals, unity fracturing government, requests for emergency rule, 25-plus people killed daily kinds of things going on in Iraq! You sure are keeping up with events, Jeffy!
As to your last paragraph, you’ve got to read what I said. The vast majority of those killed have nothing to do with jihad. They have everything to do with a failed government. Let’s hear you cheer that news on.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
And where were you during the thirty years Saddam was in charge, cornhole, not that we were talking about Iraq. Where was all the outrage at the daily murders, the Shi’ite, Sunni, Kurd, Jewish deaths that took place before we got there, including the murders of his own daughters’ husbands? Where was the concern for the women his son snatched off the streets to rape? Where was the concern when Iraqis were starving, while Saddam used oil-for-food money to build 40 palaces with gold bathroom fixtures? Did you shed a tear when photographs of the dead gassed Kurds came out in the press?
Please spare us your self-righteous indignation and holier-than-thou posturing. It’s a shameful lie.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
Becky,
Your response is, ah, unresponsive. Most Iraqis would prefer to be back in the Saddam times to what they have now. My righteous indignation is over what my own government has done. Glad to hear you’re happy about it, though.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
That’s great news! I guess there aren’t any rockets hitting schools, gunfights at funerals, unity fracturing government, requests for emergency rule, 25-plus people killed daily kinds of things going on in Iraq! You sure are keeping up with events, Jeffy!
I thought you were talking about Palestine there, corndog, until you said “Iraq”. That’s because the weapon du jour of the terrorists in Iraq are IEDs, delivered in person or by vehicle, with the more-than-occasional use of command detonated mines, and not missiles. Hamas and Fatah shoot missiles at Israel. Any missiles in Iraq are aimed at Coalition bases. Of course, a mortar is not a missile per se. But certainly the terrorists do indulge in mortaring schools and such in Iraq, so you ought to feel better about that.
Oh, and the Hamas/Fatah “unity” government is certainly fracturing…..at least, that’s appears to be the case when Fatah and Hamas members are killing each other.
And, not the least, the death toll in Palestine is rising. That goes with the territory, of course.
PS: What Rebecca said.
PPS: Would you feel even better if we passed out kites to the Iraqis? Might bring back a fond memory or two, of the good old days of Iraq under Saddam Hussein.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:45 pm
JeffS,
“The last act was to vote thugs into office”
I think they mostly tried to vote the known thieves out of office. If Fatah had stayed in power, they would have further solidified their born to rule, steal and cheat mentality, which could have been pretty bad for the the Palestinian’s future too. That would have been the lesser of two evils.
Islam spreads the belief that muslims never lie or steal (a remarkable belief considering the main religion of the most corrupt nations in the world). My wife tutored a Pakistani woman (in Australia) who was convinced the Muslim politicians in Pakistan couldn’t be lying (when flatly contradicting independant reports), “because they are muslims”. Hamas had a honest (albeit murdurous) image.
I don’t know how you get the politicians you need, but I think it involves the education system teaching people what they need from politics (oh hell! no hope for Gaza there - they’re teaching them all to be murderers), societal expectations, and a history of voting out people who lie or don’t deliver (which is why voting out Fatah looked like a good idea).
RebeccaH
“If the Palis are allowed to remain a distinct people at all, they’ll be trotted out annually as the resident boohoo basket case in need of UN aid, which the Egyptians and Jordanians will promptly steal.”
Dead right, that’s exactly what happened from 1948 to 1967. It’s also why they are still in refugee camps in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, rather than being allowed to live as normal people in the lands their families have lived in for 60 years.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:46 pm
PPPS: corndog, I should note that missiles are less popular in Iraq since the Coalition set up counterbattery radar, UAVs, and aircraft counterstrikes. Rather like the Israelis do, now that I think about it.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:48 pm
I think they mostly tried to vote the known thieves out of office.
I’ll rephrase that, david:
““The last act was to vote thieving thugs out of office, and murderous thugs into office.”
Better? ;-P
May 17th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
Most Iraqis would prefer to be back in the Saddam times to what they have now.
Citation, please. Something credible, not some nutroot post.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Maybe if we’d just pull our troops out …
… oh, er, um, nevermind. Below the fold: Israel Pounds Hamas Targets in Gaza as Factional Fighting Resumes When Does the Gaza Conflict Become a Civil War? Egypt And Jordan, White Knights