Brief History Lesson for Chickendove
MSNBC’s Olbermann thinks Iraq is the “most disastrous geopolitical tactic since Austro-Hungary attacked Serbia in 1914 and destroyed itself in the process.” With a good Kraut name like Olbermann, you’d think he’d know better.
Somebody needs to tell Olbermann about World War II, European and Asian-Pacific theaters. Hard to know where to start with that one. Germany’s bloody and tragic overreach starting in 1939, or Japan’s going back to 1931? Germany’s 1941 invasion of Russia has to be near the top of anyone’s list, if you want to narrow it down to a single campaign. How about the pair of them, Germany and Japan, forcing the United States into the war. Then there’s the Holocaust. Very disastrous geopolitical tactic that Germany is paying for, in cash and shame, to this day. On the Allies’ side, the betrayal of eastern Europe at Yalta and the initiation of 45 years of Cold War with periodic hot flashes wasn’t exactly a stellar moment. That was in large measure a certain sainted Democrat’s doing, so Olb can be forgiven for overlooking that one.
But I’m surprised, as a lefty of a certain age, Olbermann has forgotten about Vietnam. Some would argue that was a disastrous geopolitical tactic: JFK and LBJ’s. I don’t. They wanted to contain Soviet and Chinese communism, which was swallowing nations at that time. JFK, LBJ and finally Nixon and Ford might have succeeded. I’d suggest the disaster in that case was when Congress cut off the funds and forced the abandonment of South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Several million geopolitically disastrous deaths and 32 years of enslavement later … never mind the geopolitical disaster that was the humbling of the United States, to which the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the emboldening of Islamic extremists can be directly attributed.
But enough about historical footnotes. In the latest of his idiotic diatribes, Olbermann identifies Iraq as the greatest geopolitical disaster of the last century and calls on the President of the United States to go fight in Iraq. He’s all exercised because Undersecretary of Defense Eric Edelman told Hillary Clinton to put a cork in it, her campaign posturing is providing aid and comfort to the enemy. Olbermann cites the actions of Burnside, a general who had just sent 12,000 men to their deaths* in one day, and Churchill, forced to resign after tens of thousands were killed in a matter of months in the futile Gallipoli campaign. The deaths of 3,500 Americans in a four-year war in which mistakes were made are tragic, but hardly the greatest geopolitical disaster of the past 90-odd years. Could be, though, if those selfless sacrifices are made to be in vain at a time when all indications are we can win this campaign in a war to defend our fundamental security and values.
Anyway, having worked himself up, Olbermann fires off the latest chickenhawk salvo:
Sen. Clinton has reinforced enemy propaganda? Made it impossible for you to get your ego-driven, blood-steeped win in Iraq?
Then take it into your own hands, Mr. Bush.
Go to Baghdad now and fulfill, finally, your military service obligations.
Go there and fight, your war. Yourself.
(I’m not sure Sen. Clinton or anyone else in the abandonment camp has quite managed to make Bush’s “ego-driven, blood-steeped win in Iraq” impossible yet. It’s been a tremendous frustration for them. But whatever …)
Which of course calls for the next chickendove response:
Take it in your own hands, Mr. Olbermann.
Go to Baghdad and finally, fulfill your peacenik obligation.
Go there and present yourself as a human shield, so that perhaps one innocent Iraqi, out of the hundreds of thousands who could be slaughtered in the bloody chaos and genocide that would follow a precipitous withdrawal, might be spared.
(Probably not, because the chickendove peacenik human shield record of actually standing ground isn’t very good, and murderous jihadis are likely to view them only as a bonus prize. But … )
Think of the thunderous statement of moral outrage it would make. Much better than these ridiculous diatribes. You jackass.
* Joe Hooker in comments gently corrects Olbermann on some other historic issues.
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July 20th, 2007 at 10:26 am
Why does anyone pay any attention to a former jock-sniffer with a miniscule audience on cable comprised entirely of Moveon.org types and Michael Moore fans? Will someone please tell me.
July 20th, 2007 at 11:47 am
Olberman as usual gets his facts wrong.
The Federals did not have 12,000 men killed at Fredericksburg.
The true total was 1,284 killed, 9,600 wounded, and 1,769 captured or missing. And Ambrose Burnside did not have to be physically restrained from leading another charge the next day. He was talked out of it that night by his generals, and the army withdrew that night.
July 20th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
20 years from now in an assisted living facility somewhere…
Keith Olberman is rather disheveled and wearing a dirty bathrobe sitting in chair looking out a window. He is sweating profusely and twitching like meth head. On his robe he’s wearing a free KSM button. All day long he can be heard muttering,
“You sir
You sir
You sir
Habeas
Habeas
Habeas
Habeas
Habeas
Habeas”
“military affairs” correspondent William Arkin joins in jumping up and down on a mannequin dressed in camo fatigues to simulate a dead US service man.
“CORPUS!”
NBC—nihilistic broadcast corporation
I picture Keith in an assisted living facility many years from now muttering about “habeas corpus” and “you sir” when he a pathetic old loser.
I may go visit him.
July 20th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
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July 20th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
“Olberman as usual gets his facts wrong. The Federals did not have 12,000 men killed at Fredericksburg.”–Joe
And, Joe Hooker ought to know…’cause he was there.
July 20th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
“Take it in your own hands, Mr. Olbermann.”
I doubt if he has enough to require both hands.
July 20th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
“The selection of the wrong war, in the wrong time, in the wrong place — the most disastrous geopolitical tactic since Austria-Hungary attacked Serbia in 1914 and destroyed itself in the process…”
Good point. The Austrians invaded Serbia in 1914 and lost the war which led to the destruction of the Austrian Hapsburg regime. The Iraqi Baathists invaded Kuwait in 1991, and lost the war, which led to the destruction of the Baathist regime in Iraq. Coincidentally, in both cases the United States was part of the coalition opposing the regimes that were destroyed.
Got to watch how you select those wars.
July 20th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
“A country — a government — a military machine — can screw up a war seven ways to Sunday.”
Judging by the liberal Democrat performance on Sunday Dec 7, 1941, I’d say that was a given.
July 20th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
Whenever I’m confronted by some self-righteous anti-war lib who has probably long beat their chest about how much they love humanity and want world peace who then spew their venom about “chickenhawks”, I gently remind them that unlike military service there is no age limit or physical to pass to be a human shield. Then I ask they why they haven’t volunteered to help shield innocent Iraqis from their jihadist cousins despite the fact they have complete liberty to do so! You know, put some feet on their reckless rhetoric of “peace”. Or for that matter, if they see the inhumanity of man in places like the Darfur, why they haven’t jumped the next airliner to Sudan and volunteer their service in the name of global peace.
BTW, if Bush equals Hitler and he is turning American into a fascist country, why haven’t these people of peace thrown themselves in front of ammunition trains or tried to rush the White House? Given their venomous posturing to date, you would think these peace-at-any-cost-niks would get off their fat backsides and actually do something for once in their pathetic lives. Instead they seem quite content to suckle on the teat of a nation that only exists because of it being an “evil military industrial complex”. What utter narcissistic hypocrisy.
And if military action against Islamofascists is their preferred method of dealing with murderous dirtbags, then it’s about time they act on their own rhetoric of peace and start assembling their army of human shields for peace. Until then I and my family will place our trust in the Commander in Chief of this country and the Armed Forces who are taking the battle to the evildoers on foreign battlefields. Far better there than here.
July 20th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
If people who have not served in the military but agree with the use of the military in Iraq (chickenhawks) can not comment on the war because of a lack of military experience then the reverse of the coin is also just as true; people who do not support the war (chickenshits) can not comment on the war if they have a lack of military experience. After all, what’s good for the rooster should also be good for the pullet.
If the chickenhawk/chickenshit precept is followed we will have specifically contravened what the founding fathers intended, that civilians hold the reins of military power in our republic. I don’t know about you, but I’ll take a W over a Ceasar. No need for a Brutus in this republic. Now about that Senate….
July 20th, 2007 at 4:12 pm
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July 20th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
it never ceases to amaze me, the loudest mouths in the hate America crowd are those punks like Olberturd who never picked up a rifle and went to war to defend the nation he continually denigrates. Iguess since no one is watching CNBC. he’ll get shriller and shriller, in a desperate attempt to get someone to pay attention to this low grade moron. After he has the chutzpah to ask Bust to go to Iraq…a question…where didyou ever serve, and besides running your mouth, what good have you ever done this country?
July 20th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
With his lousy ratings, Olbermann’s found a way to actually attract a few viewers with his endless anti-Bush rants. The “chicken hawk” attack is classic lefty posturing, and I love your peacenik response.
Jeff Jacoby wrote about the “chicken hawk” slur a while back:
“Chicken hawk” isn’t an argument. It is a slur — a dishonest and incoherent slur. It is dishonest because those who invoke it don’t really mean what they imply — that only those with combat experience have the moral authority or the necessary understanding to advocate military force. After all, US foreign policy would be more hawkish, not less, if decisions about war and peace were left up to members of the armed forces. Soldiers tend to be politically conservative, hard-nosed about national security, and confident that American arms make the world safer and freer. On the question of Iraq — stay-the-course or bring-the-troops-home? — I would be willing to trust their judgment. Would Cindy Sheehan and Howard Dean?
Take care.
http://burkeanreflections.blogspot.com
July 20th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
I love it that Undersecretary of Defense Edelman told Hillary to ‘can it’ with her “efficacious withdrawal” inquiry. ‘Yes, we have a contingency plan, that’s what we do. We plan. But you’ll never see them until you become president. Until that day never ask about them again you Ivy League ditz’.
Hillary’s got a loser’s mentality. Our enemies would challenge her left and right and she’d capitulate.
I had f-ing loser of a coach in High School Football who gave a speech during half time in a close, winnable game went like this, “and IF we lose tonight let’s keep our heads up and make sure we pick up all our gear and get on the bus in a timely fashion”
That’s Hillary.
Hillary is the alternative agenda efficiency expert we’ve been lacking—efficient at defeat, withdrawal and appeasement. America doesn’t need a loser like that for a leader. She’ll give away all the gains that have been made across the board.
Efficacious withdrawal, efficacious defeat, efficacious genocide…
Eff-fa-fu-fuk-in-cacious—who talks like that in respect to a withdrawal and defeat of unprecedented scale and consequence?
July 20th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
What an idiot. Today I heard this same argument from a woman whose son is going to Iraq in a couple of months. You would think Bush was a baby killer, her baby.
So why did he join? There was a war on when he signed up, he knew he might have to go, but Mom is raving on about how it is all about Bush’s greed for money. I just told her that I knew a lot of guys who went to Iraq and they support the mission and I was not going to insult them by assuming they were willing to be part of murder for hire. Which is basically what she is saying her son is doing. But then again, she said he can retire early and get a good pension and medical care etc. I believe in benefits for veterans, but the military is not a job works program. Chances are if you put on that uniform the time might come when you have to fight. That is the whole damn purpose.
July 20th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
As Jules brilliantly points out, Olberman is hardly knowledgeable about history. Dave Surls as well does a fine job eviscerating him.
Olberman’s juvenile attacks are so utterly absurd it shows the lack of critical thought occurring on the left. It’s mainly emotional personal attacks without substance and history reference that doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.
Olberman’s been getting more and more pathetic. After the Libby commutation by Bush, Olberman through up his hands and stated, “Bush and Cheney should just resign”. It was Olberman admitting he had nothing, never would have anything, and just wanted to cry wolf.
Now he’s saying Bush should go stand in the line of fire and be killed, hopefully. This is even more desperate and pathetic. But if you look in-between the lines I think he’s even admitting that the Surge is yielding results and the only way to stop it is kill Bush.
“Sen. Clinton has reinforced enemy propaganda? Made it impossible for you to get your ego-driven, blood-steeped win in Iraq?”
This statement here is verging on madness. Olberman could use some NBC provided psychiatry sessions and some prescribed anti-psychotics. Bush has fractured the poor man’s mind.
July 20th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
Furthermore, Bush is now over 60, but he was a fighter pilot for God’s sake! Does Olb have any idea how aggressive, smart, and tough you have to be to become a fighter pilot? On top of that, the F-102 Delta Dagger had some nasty flight characteristics. It took real guts just to get in that thing. So, I’ll just bet that Bush, somewhere deep in his heart, would actually LOVE to go kick some butt over Iraq airspace. That’s the problem with getting older. Now if someone could just invent a pill … Say, you comin’ with us Olbie? No? What a surprise!
July 20th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
Olberman should have stuck to March Madness and box scores. .
July 20th, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Who’s Keith Olbermann?
July 20th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
Olbermann’s understanding of the issue is, well, ZIP would be a good way to describe it. Not much of a current affairs commentator, in my opinion (he doesn’t do “news”, does he?)
Perhaps he should read the 1997 essay by James Webb entitled “Sleeping with the Enemy”; would he deign to read it, I wonder? I followed a link somewhere, a few months back, which took me to the eeevilll “American Enterprise Online”, and Webb’s essay. At least he would begin to understand what the 1975 Vietnam pullout (read, the Democrat party’s funding freeze) did to Southeast Asia. Wouldn’t he?
Maybe not.
This is my first comment here at Jules Crittenden’s site. I’m a middle aged Canadian… please don’t hold that “Canadian” bit against me… but I know for a fact that if the world didn’t have the United States of America doing most of the heavy work (practically ALL the work, frankly) in the GWOT, this would be one mighty mean point in time for my daughter to grow up in.
Keep on chugging, America! The world needs the U.S.A. more than it has since 1941… maybe more now than it EVER has. Don’t let the blindness, willful or otherwise, of the MSM deter you from the mission only America is equipped to undertake.
I honestly think that, as the U.S. Armed Forces continues to show that steel in their spines, more and more people are letting the scales fall from their eyes. The fear is fading, yes, but NOT because of a dearth of terrorist attacks in North America; rather, it’s because the U.S.A. is standing in there for most every other nation, and not quitting (Thank God!)
Thank you America, for providing Canada with security; I can only hope that we show we’re worthy for the protection you provide us. Somewhere in the “Mystic Chords” of Canada’s memory, there might arouse some feelings to live up to what our Canadian grandfathers, great-grandfathers, great-great grandfathers did in Korea in the 50s and Europe in the 40s and ‘teens’. America, and America’s fighting men and women, deserve no less than this.
Lastly, I certainly hope more and more Canadians come to understand these things… let alone Keith Olbermann and his sort.
July 21st, 2007 at 8:26 am
.. duh, invading iraq was the most disastrous geopolitical tactic since wwI since bush has alienated over half the world against the united states. American approval & stature has dropped overall dramatically.
(cafone posts): .. the loudest mouths in the hate America crowd are those punks like Olberturd who never picked up a rifle and went to war to defend the nation he continually denigrates.
.. cheney is amongst the ‘hate america crowd’? bush too? more republican politicians fit your above description, than democrat pols.
phredd’s misconception: On top of that, the F-102 Delta Dagger had some nasty flight characteristics. It took real guts just to get in that thing.
.. actually bush’s fighter had a very safe record in vietnam, one of the safest. You are speaking of problems it had well prior to bush getting in one, years prior.
.. but your point is ludicrous; bush skillfully learned to fly the dagger/dart but never did to serve america, other than crop dusting texas (& presumably alabama). It was like he went to boot camp but didn’t ever perform his specialties, refused to go where needed actually. I did more as a navy fireman in one month by painting bulkheads & cleaning toilets-heads to help the military than bush did his entire 4.5 (of 6) year service. Almost any enlisted man who spent at least a month obeying menial orders like that did more than bush did to actually improve the US military machine.
.. olberman may have been a bit sloppy confusing the casualty rate with the kill rate at fredericksburg but the author didn’t correct this either but let it ride, eh?
.. hitler invading russia (barbarossa) might have helped coerce japan to enter the war, russia & japan having their differences you know; olberman could have used a better introduction speech than the 1914 warstart, but you only argue subjectively & the bulk of olberman’s article is well put.
July 21st, 2007 at 8:26 am
Castigating Olbermann is a great distraction from the real point—the Bush administration’s failures. The USA now blunders through the world without real support. You don’t have to read this in the papers or Net, simply travel as I have to various countries and listen to everyday people. The Muslim world continues to grow more suspicious and hostile, the radical anti-American voices strengthened. Read the reports.
One can attempt to bludgeon an enemy into submission or try to outsmart them. Bush and Cheney, consistent with their personalities and histories, decided that the tough guy persona would sell and indeed it did long enough to curse the nation with eight years of their incompetence. Sadly, tough often beats smart in the American political arena. Bush/Cheney & company have rendered this great nation like Polyphemos blindly throwing rocks wildly at No Man, a pathetic figure suited for ridicule. Osama laughs as America crawls in agony towards Jan. 20, 2009. 70% of the population is fully aware that it will take years to fix the deep and hopefully reparable damage done in the last several years. Cry the beloved country.
July 21st, 2007 at 8:55 am
hank posts: ..unlike military service there is no age limit or physical to pass to be a human shield. Then I ask they why they haven’t volunteered to help shield innocent Iraqis from their jihadist cousins
.. this is such the inane argument; the real argument is the better way to prevent bloodshed of native iraqis, not vicarious substitution. The military gets paid well for being in iraq, steady job steady work & the risk of dying isn’t all that great for the vast majority of servicemen in iraq since they are not front line but rear echelon remfs. The underlying reason the bulk of the military is there, in most cases, is for ultimate monetary benefits. There is no draft, why join the miitary if not for a steady salary? enlisted anyway.
somebody posts: BTW, if Bush equals Hitler and he is turning American into a fascist country, why haven’t these people of peace thrown themselves in front of ammunition trains or tried to rush the White House?
.. we turn to the political process, inept as it can be; .. & bush does not equal hitler, there are merely subtle similarities/nuance, but bush is nowhere the evil that hitler was. Any bush/hilter comparisons should not be construed to suggest parity in planned evilness. It is only the consequences of what hitler did with what bush is doing which should be given serious attention. That is valid counterpoint.
canadian joe posts: please don’t hold that “Canadian” bit against me…
.. why should anyone do that? don’t prostrate yourself joe.
joe again: The fear is fading, yes, but NOT because of a dearth of terrorist attacks in North America; rather, it’s because the U.S.A. is standing in there for most every other nation, and not quitting (Thank God!)
.. the fear is fading? the only fear that existed or exists now is the same fear which existed prior to 9/11 & prior this trumped up war on terror. We are, & were, more susceptible to attack by american criminals or road raged drivers than any muslim aggressor. 3,000 americans died on 9/11, yet over 100,000 have been gunshot since then & ditto for auto deaths.
.. Any fear of terror has only been manufactured by bushco for political expediency - call it what it is, fearmongering.
.. & why do you thank US for being a canadian shield? don’t you already have one? you should realize that it is not military war on terror overseas which protects the north american mainland, but the geographical makeup, & those two very large oceans between us & alqaeda-hq.
July 21st, 2007 at 11:05 am
“Who’s Keith Olbermann?”
The world’s most classic example of the Peter Principle.
July 21st, 2007 at 11:58 am
[...] resident Bush Hater, Keith Olbermann, recently described Iraq as the “most disastrous geopolitical tactic since Austro-Hungary attacked Serbia in 1914 and [...]
July 21st, 2007 at 12:01 pm
Jimmy da one
.. hitler invading russia (barbarossa) might have helped coerce japan to enter the war, russia & japan having their differences you know; olberman could have used a better introduction speech than the 1914 warstart, but you only argue subjectively & the bulk of olberman’s article is well put.
Thanks for starting my day off with a good laugh. Where do your history–Howard Zinn?
July 21st, 2007 at 12:07 pm
Chickenhawks. The people who are always ready to send others to die while they talk very tough. George Bush. Dick Cheney. Don Rumsfeld. Condi Rice. This great Republican tradition continues…
“Born in 1944, young Rudy was highly eligible for military service when he reached his 20s during the Vietnam War. He did not volunteer for combat — as Kerry did — and instead found a highly creative way to dodge the draft. If Giuliani has a draft problem, Romney’s may be even worse. The former Massachusetts governor, whose supporters object strenuously to any discussion of his religious beliefs, got his military service deferred thanks to the Mormon church.” Salon.com
You can fool some of the people… and the people eventually catch on. The Republican Party is now identified in the public mind with hypocrisy. The results for the United States of America — tragedy. Thanks, conservatives. You’ve done a number on us.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:41 pm
jimmy the one (8:55A.M.)
July 21st, 2007 at 12:53 pm
OOPS!
jimmy the one (8:55A.M.)
I simply do not concur with your statement comparing gunshot deaths and automobile deaths to a terrorist attack which took down 2 of THE symbols of Western Society (note the capitals). The analogy is NOT apt.
And as for American protection of Canada (and the entire globe, for that matter)… has any Canadian political figure thanked the U.S. Armed Forces for letting us hitch a ride to get over to Afghanistan? Our ships and planes were not able to make the trip; our troop transport vehicles, 20-year-old vintage, were literally rusting through; our armed forces have shrunk from 100,000 in the 1960s to about 60,000 today… the country with the longest coastline in the world, by the way.
Canada is possibly the most resource rich country in the world; if the United States fell into the ocean this afternoon, within 2 days Canada would be at war with (pick your TRULY imperialist power, type name here). If the U.S. military wasn’t standing guard over North America, Canada simply would not be able to fend for herself. Period.
For that American shield, I’m mighty thankful. And I firmly believe you understand that, too, jimmy.
July 21st, 2007 at 2:08 pm
joe b,as another middle aged cdn I agree
July 21st, 2007 at 4:00 pm
“this trumped up war on terror.”
Trumped up? We’ve been attacked by Islamo-scum terrorists over and over and over again since the 1970s. Thousands of Americans have been killed, our embassies blown up, airliners highjacked, Americans kidnapped and murdred.
If we ever had a legitimate reason to fight a war, this is it.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:17 pm
joe posts: as for American protection of Canada… has any Canadian political figure thanked the US Armed Forces for letting us hitch a ride to get over to Afghanistan?
.. you change the premise from a security shield to logistical support for your very troops;.. let me refresh what you said, to which I directed my reply:
previous joe: it’s because the USA is standing in there for most every other nation, and not quitting .. Thank you America, for providing Canada with security; I can only hope that we show we’re worthy for the protection you provide us.
.. THAT, is what I remarked upon - you counter by noting a bus ticket for your military which the US was glad to pay since you provide additional cannon fodder to absorb the afghan hits… how did the national guard jet killing 4 canadians sit with canada?
4iragis posts: Thanks for starting my day off with a good laugh. Where do your history–Howard Zinn
.. don’t tell me you’re one of those who believes japan would’ve entered the war against the US & Britain, if the soviet union had been neutral?
.. you a member of the flat earth society too?
July 21st, 2007 at 7:20 pm
jimmy…
I think you’re missing my point. The “Thank you” to the U.S. military for letting us hitch a ride to Afghanistan was illustrative of Canada’s inability to do ANYTHING militarily… which extends to something so routine as national defense.
You and I disagree on the need to fight a shooting war with terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq; that point is obvious. But, frankly, you’re the one who is deflecting the premise of my comments… thanking America for defending Canadian interests on our shared continent… to one of “cannon fodder to absorb the afghan hits… how did the national guard jet killing 4 canadians sit with canada?” Sane people understand that in the fog of war, “stuff” happens. Not too much was made of the accidental bombing of those soldiers… but I thank God Canada actually grows some Iron Men like those 4 lads.
The notion that terrorism has increased because of the Iraq war has always struck me as wacky. It is truly amazing to think that terrorism has been going on since, what, 1972 (Olympics), and yet it is the Iraq war that is the root of all the world’s terrorist troubles? Iraq was a necessary-invasion-waiting-to-happen, right down to the 17 U.N. resolutions of which Saddam Hussein was in violation. How long does civil society allow people to live under the heel of “strong men” before such civil society takes it upon itself to get rid of the tyrants? What’s more likely to grow terrorists; 30 years of tyranical rule (like being brought up on the wrong side of the tracks in a run down house ruled by a mean spirited, child-beating father), or libertarian societies like the United States, The U.K., and Canada?
The war on terror would be so much easier to conduct… to win… if media mavens like Mr. Olbermann could see that even they have big targets on their backs. As Mark Steyn wrote in “America Alone”, Daniel Pearl’s severed head WAS the message. Or do you think differently?
July 21st, 2007 at 8:24 pm
To be called a “member of flat earth society” by your likes is a compliment.
I’d suggest taking your brand of crazy elsewhere.
Say hi to Keith Ellison.
Remember, in the future everyone is Hitler for 15 minutes.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:58 am
canada joe: The notion that terrorism has increased because of the Iraq war has always struck me as wacky. It is truly amazing to think that terrorism has been going on since, what, 1972 (Olympics), and yet it is the Iraq war that is the root of all the world’s terrorist troubles?
… faulty premise for us, only YOU say that as some misconception but it does not emanate from the left- nobody on the left seriously adheres to that; .. indeed, terrorism has been around in different shapes (barbarianism) for centuries, millenia, & that is our point, some terrorism will have to be tolerated at some point since it’s impossible to rid all of it.
.. no we never ever said iraq was the root of all the world’s terrorists; you make a typical rightwing ploy, create a fase premise & then bash your opposition on the basis of your faulty premise of your own making.
joe: Iraq was a necessary-invasion-waiting-to-happen, right down to the 17 U.N. resolutions of which Saddam Hussein was in violation.
.. dozens of countries are in violation of some UN sanctions but we don’t invade them all to rectify; & if you cite the UN you must also cite them as being firmly against the invasion itself.
.. speaking of UN resolutions, you do know that tony blair’s 2nd Resolution authorizing war with iraq, FAILED, yet america still went to war.
.. who violated UN protocol there?
4iraqis taunts: I’d suggest taking your brand of crazy elsewhere
.. oo, uncle, uncle.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:35 am
“some terrorism will have to be tolerated”
Bet me.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:57 am
previously I wrote: “some terrorism will have to be tolerated”
dave surls posts: Bet me
.. bravado doesn’t disprove reality.