Proof of Wikipedia’s Unreliability
That quick and easy, top-of-Google fact hit? Someone at the New York Times might be contributing to it.
Topics: media
Posted by Jules Crittenden at 9:16 am Comments (16) on Wednesday, August 15, 2007
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August 15th, 2007 at 11:03 am
Doesn’t this tell you something about the intellectual dishonesty disguised as enlightened eastern establishmentarianism? If they were not so east-coast centric with the classical left-wing ivy league education, you could shrug this off to juvinile narcissism. But no, unfortunately, it is the “paper of record” much like the Sears catalog was the “paper of record” when there was lack of indoor plumbing.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:09 am
Alas, Wiki editing is not limited to lefties, as per Michelle Malkin.
Me, whenever I link to Wiki, I read the article first, looking for any suggestions of bias. I’ve seen way too many clearly biased articles there.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:23 am
The link says the posting was done by Gary Sebel. But a google search shows that Gary Sebel is “Web developer for Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center”, not an employee of the Times.
I wonder if this will make Jack is Back rethink his enlightened eastern establishmentarianism, east-coast centric, classical left-wing ivy league education, juvinile narcissism thing.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
mmm, I did a google search too. Only I used Gary Sebel New York Times as a search parameter and look what I found:
OrgTechHandle: GSE13-ARIN
OrgTechName: Sebel, Gary
OrgTechPhone: +1-646-698-8212
OrgTechEmail: sebel@nytimes.com
Corndog, you may want to note the orgtechEmail.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Don’t confuse him with the truth. He can’t handle it.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
I’m not a Wiki hata. I just never, ever use it as a primary source for anything political or controversial. That leaves a whole big, happy universe of information to swim in, most of which has cross-checked very well.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
dr. Bearma,
I’m not disputing that that is what his e-mail address was. That’s what was on the link that Jules gave. I’m just disputing that he’s a NY Times employee, when he clearly works for Columbia Presbyterian.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
I’m not disputing that that is what his e-mail address was.
“was”, eh, corndog? True, Sebel could have been working for the NYT when he did those edits, and later found employment with Columbia Presbyterian. Hmmmm?
You, of course, have evidence that Sebel never worked for the NYT, right? Or that he left the NYT since then? Or that there is one, and only one Gary Sebel in the United States?
Besides which……I think that this “Gary Sebel” (was?) is likely the network administrator, not some reporter working from that IP. WHOIS is a network reference tool, not a telephone book. Ask any computer geek about “static” and “dynamic” IP addresses on internal networks.
Not to mention the simple fact that the IP address resolves to the NEW YORK TIMES, and no where else. So “Columbia Presbyterian” is immaterial in any context.
Thus, your impromptu strawman has been turned into a little pile of ash, corndog.
I’d apologize for being so brutal, but clue-by-fours are supposed to hurt. Reinforces the learning, y’know!
August 15th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
Jeffy,
There’s no strawman, and you are being a little over-the-top, but it looks like everyone needs their two minutes of hate around here. When you say, “So “Columbia Presbyterian” is immaterial in any context.” well, yes, it is very material, since that is where the guy works. And isn’t the insinuation here that the evil, evil New York Times is secretly sliming your beloved leader? So if he’s not working for the Times, then you’ve got nothing, right?
But if you really want to look for facts, digging deeper, I now see that Gary Sebel is listed as formerly working for NY Times Management Services, which is an investment holding company, independent of that evil, evil New York Times. This resolves the e-mail address, but, unfortunately, doesn’t do it the way you wished. I’ll bet he’s an effete east coast ivy narcissist, though.
August 15th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
Guess you missed the part of WHOIS being a network listing, not a phone book. And that the IP addresses resolves to the NYT, not Columbia Presvyterian.
But, hey, clue-by-fours have been known to bounce off of hard enough skulls. Enjoy your little sphere of ignorance, corndog.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:49 am
Jeffy, Jeffy,
Will you please get the point I’m making? The question is not where the network listing resolves to. The source was clear from the beginning. The question is where the guy works. And he doesn’t work at the NYT, period. Talk about hard skulls.
August 16th, 2007 at 9:34 am
Corndog,
Care to tell us what search parameter you used on Google to find out that Gary Sebel “formerly” worked for New York Times Management and NOW works for Columbia Presbyterian. The search that I did previously showed Columbia Presbyterian releases from 1996-1998 naming Gary Sebel. The search that I did for Gary Sebel New York Times which I previously mentioned gave me the result with his e-mai which was last updated 2006.
So I will be waiting for you to give us the search parameters that you used. And I WILL be waiting.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:05 pm
The question is where the guy works.
Folks, don’t be alarmed. That resounding CLANG!!!!!! heard around the INTERNET is just corndog’s skull blocking all attempts at communication. Think of it as SETI in reverse.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
The search parameter was on google, using “gary sebel” and, I think it was “New york times” or maybe “NY Times”. One of the results was a contact database that contained his name at the – get this, Jeffy – New York Times Management Company in 2004. Since you found a similar result, then you obviously now join me in acknowledging that he does not work for the evil, evil New York Times, but instead works for an asset management company. Please explain this to Jeffy, since he seems not to get it.
My earlier search, using just his name, had him working currently at Columbia Presybterian. Thus, put the two together, and you arrive at what I wrote.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:31 pm
Drbearma,
Just to be sure, I went to the Columbia Presbyterian website, and he doesn’t show up in a search of employees. So I’m not so sure now. So let’s go with your info, that he’s a current employee of the New York Times Management Services Co. I see a number of lawsuits on the web that state that New York Times Management Services is differnt from the New York Times, and the New York Times Co.’s SEC filings that indicate that the New York Times Management Services Co. is the operation co. for the Florida assets, which means it operates the Sarasota paper and a number of radio and tv stations. So once again, this guy is not an employee of the evil, evil New York Times. He’s not even an East Coast elite. Just a Tampa, Fl. IT guy.
August 16th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
Wikipedia is a great idea. Too bad a lot of people are too immature to use it constructively.