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		<title>By: Troubling News from Burma &#124; Democratic Policy and Party Talk</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/10/01/murdered-monks-dumped/comment-page-1/#comment-30765</link>
		<dc:creator>Troubling News from Burma &#124; Democratic Policy and Party Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There&#8217;s further discussion in the blogosphere at TalkLeft; The Mahablog; The Glittering Eye; The Van Der Galiën Gazette, Real Clear Politics and Jules Crittenden. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There&#8217;s further discussion in the blogosphere at TalkLeft; The Mahablog; The Glittering Eye; The Van Der Galiën Gazette, Real Clear Politics and Jules Crittenden. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The_Real_JeffS</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/10/01/murdered-monks-dumped/comment-page-1/#comment-30424</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Real_JeffS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Simple as I am, I believe I’ve got it. Its about Bush isn’t it? If he does something, anything, he’s an out of control cowboy. If he does nothing or if he advocates the continued flow of the world’s oil so that people have heat and transportation, he’s obviously got a sinister agenda.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s the BDS in action, VotC.  Classic symptoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Simple as I am, I believe I’ve got it. Its about Bush isn’t it? If he does something, anything, he’s an out of control cowboy. If he does nothing or if he advocates the continued flow of the world’s oil so that people have heat and transportation, he’s obviously got a sinister agenda.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s the BDS in action, VotC.  Classic symptoms.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanguard of the Commentariat</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/10/01/murdered-monks-dumped/comment-page-1/#comment-30365</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanguard of the Commentariat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The difference between Maddie’s diplomacy and Bush’s, is that Maddie, using whatever means at her disposal (ok, let’s not go there), was…. successful.&quot;

Oh. My. Goodness.   &#039;dog I greatly enjoy our sparing and witty repartee but you must stick to facts.  If your girl Maddie was successful, that is one heck of a low standard.  

Or is this one of those cases where they didn&#039;t develop a bomb until they were provoked into it by a speech from the &quot;world&#039;s biggest moron&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The difference between Maddie’s diplomacy and Bush’s, is that Maddie, using whatever means at her disposal (ok, let’s not go there), was…. successful.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh. My. Goodness.   &#8216;dog I greatly enjoy our sparing and witty repartee but you must stick to facts.  If your girl Maddie was successful, that is one heck of a low standard.  </p>
<p>Or is this one of those cases where they didn&#8217;t develop a bomb until they were provoked into it by a speech from the &#8220;world&#8217;s biggest moron&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: corndog</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/10/01/murdered-monks-dumped/comment-page-1/#comment-30361</link>
		<dc:creator>corndog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Salty - please read what I wrote.  I haven&#039;t said one word about invading Burma. 

I am saying we should do real diplomacy.  That means using what we have as leverage.   Our leverage is with the Unocol and Mobil contracts, and our close alliance with India.

Instead of doing this, Jules wants to plead with the Chinese.  And Bush wants to keep up the junta&#039;s invite to his ranch next summer.  Oh, and he&#039;ll have his spokesperson put out &quot;strongly-worded&quot; statements such as:

&quot;we understand that some of the monasteries have been sealed. Now, obviously, this has, again, a chilling effect on protestors, but we would ask that everyone show restraint and allow those who want to express themselves to be able to do so in Burma.&quot;

VC,

The difference between Maddie&#039;s diplomacy and Bush&#039;s, is that Maddie, using whatever means at her disposal (ok, let&#039;s not go there), was.... successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Salty &#8211; please read what I wrote.  I haven&#8217;t said one word about invading Burma. </p>
<p>I am saying we should do real diplomacy.  That means using what we have as leverage.   Our leverage is with the Unocol and Mobil contracts, and our close alliance with India.</p>
<p>Instead of doing this, Jules wants to plead with the Chinese.  And Bush wants to keep up the junta&#8217;s invite to his ranch next summer.  Oh, and he&#8217;ll have his spokesperson put out &#8220;strongly-worded&#8221; statements such as:</p>
<p>&#8220;we understand that some of the monasteries have been sealed. Now, obviously, this has, again, a chilling effect on protestors, but we would ask that everyone show restraint and allow those who want to express themselves to be able to do so in Burma.&#8221;</p>
<p>VC,</p>
<p>The difference between Maddie&#8217;s diplomacy and Bush&#8217;s, is that Maddie, using whatever means at her disposal (ok, let&#8217;s not go there), was&#8230;. successful.</p>
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		<title>By: saltydog</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/10/01/murdered-monks-dumped/comment-page-1/#comment-30359</link>
		<dc:creator>saltydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me understand this:  If we weren&#039;t in Iraq, Corndog would advocate going into Burma to stop the slaughter?  Would he then complain that we were doing it for the oil companies?  And when we don&#039;t, we&#039;re &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; doing it &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; of the oil companies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me understand this:  If we weren&#8217;t in Iraq, Corndog would advocate going into Burma to stop the slaughter?  Would he then complain that we were doing it for the oil companies?  And when we don&#8217;t, we&#8217;re <i>not</i> doing it <i>because</i> of the oil companies?</p>
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		<title>By: Vanguard of the Commentariat</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/10/01/murdered-monks-dumped/comment-page-1/#comment-30349</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanguard of the Commentariat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crab rangoon, say, that sounds good... Oh sorry.

How is that different than Maddie Albright,  heels, pearls and all dancing with &#039;lil Kim and letting him have a little feel (eiuww,  sorry, hope you&#039;ve eaten) and having him promise her he&#039;ll never, commies honor, never make a nuclear bomb?  

Simple as I am, I believe I&#039;ve got it.  Its about Bush isn&#039;t it?  If he does something, anything, he&#039;s an out of control cowboy.  If he does nothing or if he advocates the continued flow of the world&#039;s oil so that people have heat and transportation, he&#039;s obviously got a sinister agenda.    

I got news for you &#039;dog.  No matter whether oil is Unocal or Exxon Mobil or Total Fina Elf, or a completely nationalized entity: some rich guy somewhere will still be making a lot of money off of it.  You have to let go of that at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crab rangoon, say, that sounds good&#8230; Oh sorry.</p>
<p>How is that different than Maddie Albright,  heels, pearls and all dancing with &#8216;lil Kim and letting him have a little feel (eiuww,  sorry, hope you&#8217;ve eaten) and having him promise her he&#8217;ll never, commies honor, never make a nuclear bomb?  </p>
<p>Simple as I am, I believe I&#8217;ve got it.  Its about Bush isn&#8217;t it?  If he does something, anything, he&#8217;s an out of control cowboy.  If he does nothing or if he advocates the continued flow of the world&#8217;s oil so that people have heat and transportation, he&#8217;s obviously got a sinister agenda.    </p>
<p>I got news for you &#8216;dog.  No matter whether oil is Unocal or Exxon Mobil or Total Fina Elf, or a completely nationalized entity: some rich guy somewhere will still be making a lot of money off of it.  You have to let go of that at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: corndog</title>
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		<dc:creator>corndog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you&#039;re right, VC.  Bush should have the junta over to his house for a swim in the pool, and maybe afterward, his manservant will rustle up some crab rangoon for them. 

No doubt they&#039;ll say they&#039;re sorry for killing all those monks, and they&#039;ll promise, scouts honor, never to hurt Unocol or Mobil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you&#8217;re right, VC.  Bush should have the junta over to his house for a swim in the pool, and maybe afterward, his manservant will rustle up some crab rangoon for them. </p>
<p>No doubt they&#8217;ll say they&#8217;re sorry for killing all those monks, and they&#8217;ll promise, scouts honor, never to hurt Unocol or Mobil.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanguard of the Commentariat</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/10/01/murdered-monks-dumped/comment-page-1/#comment-30346</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanguard of the Commentariat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So where are you going with this?  Bush is doing re: Burma exactly what his smarters have prescribed for him elsewhere:  

Why can&#039;t we be like Sweden and New Zealand and just tut tut about it and get on with our comfortable subsidized lives while the wogs off each other?  

Burma is a regional problem, let the &quot;region&quot; or the UN take care of it.  No sense going all cowboy imperialist over a few murdered religious extremists, and if we can do a little business on the side, well heck, that&#039;s just gravy.  Right?  I mean the Clintons did business with the PRC and the Norks while they were doing dastardly things to dissenters and minorities and nobody who&#039;s opinion mattered gave a crap.  And since you know doubt dislike religious extremists here, why do you care about them 8000 miles away?   And the perps are socialists so the Left should be fawning over them anyhow.  

And your prescription is we shouldn&#039;t have them over for BBQ???  

I guess that&#039;ll show &#039;em.  Man I am confused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So where are you going with this?  Bush is doing re: Burma exactly what his smarters have prescribed for him elsewhere:  </p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t we be like Sweden and New Zealand and just tut tut about it and get on with our comfortable subsidized lives while the wogs off each other?  </p>
<p>Burma is a regional problem, let the &#8220;region&#8221; or the UN take care of it.  No sense going all cowboy imperialist over a few murdered religious extremists, and if we can do a little business on the side, well heck, that&#8217;s just gravy.  Right?  I mean the Clintons did business with the PRC and the Norks while they were doing dastardly things to dissenters and minorities and nobody who&#8217;s opinion mattered gave a crap.  And since you know doubt dislike religious extremists here, why do you care about them 8000 miles away?   And the perps are socialists so the Left should be fawning over them anyhow.  </p>
<p>And your prescription is we shouldn&#8217;t have them over for BBQ???  </p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;ll show &#8216;em.  Man I am confused.</p>
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		<title>By: corndog</title>
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		<dc:creator>corndog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VC,

My point is that Bush&#039;s &quot;sanctions&quot; from last week were obviously impotent.  And there is no &quot;endless diplomacy&quot; because Bush has yet to do squat (see quotes I pasted above).

Meanwhile the leverage we actually have - through Unocol and Mobil, as well as our great relations with India - is ignored.  Instead, Jules wants us to go crawling to the Chinese to please! please! do something!  

Bush doesn&#039;t have to bomb Rangoon.  But he also doesn&#039;t need to invite the junta over to his ranch for dinner (see quotes above).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VC,</p>
<p>My point is that Bush&#8217;s &#8220;sanctions&#8221; from last week were obviously impotent.  And there is no &#8220;endless diplomacy&#8221; because Bush has yet to do squat (see quotes I pasted above).</p>
<p>Meanwhile the leverage we actually have &#8211; through Unocol and Mobil, as well as our great relations with India &#8211; is ignored.  Instead, Jules wants us to go crawling to the Chinese to please! please! do something!  </p>
<p>Bush doesn&#8217;t have to bomb Rangoon.  But he also doesn&#8217;t need to invite the junta over to his ranch for dinner (see quotes above).</p>
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		<title>By: Vanguard of the Commentariat</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/10/01/murdered-monks-dumped/comment-page-1/#comment-30331</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanguard of the Commentariat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But &#039;dog, I thought &quot;sanctions&quot; and endless diplomacy and invites to address prestigious universities were the only way to convince the recalcitrant meanies of the error of their ways.  So in this case Bush stifled his overwhelming cowboy urge to go bomb Rangoon and to widen and pave the Ledo Road out to 8 lanes so his oil buddies can exploit the natives and now you have a problem with that?  

This nuance stuff is so confusing to a simple sort like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But &#8216;dog, I thought &#8220;sanctions&#8221; and endless diplomacy and invites to address prestigious universities were the only way to convince the recalcitrant meanies of the error of their ways.  So in this case Bush stifled his overwhelming cowboy urge to go bomb Rangoon and to widen and pave the Ledo Road out to 8 lanes so his oil buddies can exploit the natives and now you have a problem with that?  </p>
<p>This nuance stuff is so confusing to a simple sort like me.</p>
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