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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/01/02/us-uk-russia-prc/comment-page-1/#comment-49030</link>
		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did recall that the CCTV (closed circuit TV) in the London tube caught pictures of those subway bombers and led to their arrest.

And Mohammed Atta on camera checking in at the Boston airport, neatly trimmed hair, trustworthy blue oxford cloth shirt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did recall that the CCTV (closed circuit TV) in the London tube caught pictures of those subway bombers and led to their arrest.</p>
<p>And Mohammed Atta on camera checking in at the Boston airport, neatly trimmed hair, trustworthy blue oxford cloth shirt.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeH</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/01/02/us-uk-russia-prc/comment-page-1/#comment-48969</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tanstaafl, &quot;London is, reportedly, the most surveilled city in the world, but there has not been any concomitant decline in violent crime.&quot;

The problem is that the laws have taken the impetus away from the police to do anything. Why worry about rushing to the scene of a home invasion that&#039;s on camera if the law requires the victim to vacate the premises. 

If the criminal gets stabbed then the resident is at fault so why worry about cameras if you&#039;re the perp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tanstaafl, &#8220;London is, reportedly, the most surveilled city in the world, but there has not been any concomitant decline in violent crime.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem is that the laws have taken the impetus away from the police to do anything. Why worry about rushing to the scene of a home invasion that&#8217;s on camera if the law requires the victim to vacate the premises. </p>
<p>If the criminal gets stabbed then the resident is at fault so why worry about cameras if you&#8217;re the perp.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/01/02/us-uk-russia-prc/comment-page-1/#comment-48900</link>
		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where are our courts taking us ?

In light of absurdities such as these.

http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/sharia_libel_law_now_applies_i.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are our courts taking us ?</p>
<p>In light of absurdities such as these.</p>
<p><a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/sharia_libel_law_now_applies_i.php" rel="nofollow">http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/sharia_libel_law_now_applies_i.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/01/02/us-uk-russia-prc/comment-page-1/#comment-48864</link>
		<dc:creator>Grimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>saltydog:

The point I was attempting, rather sloppily, to drive at is...

The differences between &quot;left&quot; and &quot;right&quot; in this world go way way past disagreement and well into the realm of completely different realities. There is no place of common ground from which honest discussion can proceed.

The differences are down almost to the level of alphabet. The words may sound the same but dont even mean the same things when used by either side any more.

This doesn&#039;t not mean I&#039;m implying some sort of moral equivalences bullshit either. The left&#039;s ideals are totally dependent upon the destruction of everything the US has ever stood for. Honest leftists will openly and proudly admit this.

Leftists are every bit as much a blood enemy of the US as are the jihadi filth currently following their convictions into the fight against us. The only difference with leftists is that they are, by their vary nature, too cowardly and passive aggressive oriented to actually man up and put their blood where their mouths are.

Eventually that will change. We&#039;ll see a rebirth of such groups as the Red Brigades, Weathermen Underground, Red Army Faction, etc etc soon enough.

And of course, anyone attempting to stand up against the betrayals, degeneracies, intellectual inbreeding, disinformation, black propagandizing, etc etc of the left is automatically slandered with the fascist label. 

To your average leftist, a fascist is anyone that disagrees with them in any way, to any degree on any subject, including breakfast cereal choices.

Racist is used in exactly the same way by those enemy of reality.

The biggest delusion going these days is that there is any real possibility that this rend in our social fabric can ever be peacefully mended.

War is coming. And as usual in such cases, it will be war of the must uncivil sort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saltydog:</p>
<p>The point I was attempting, rather sloppily, to drive at is&#8230;</p>
<p>The differences between &#8220;left&#8221; and &#8220;right&#8221; in this world go way way past disagreement and well into the realm of completely different realities. There is no place of common ground from which honest discussion can proceed.</p>
<p>The differences are down almost to the level of alphabet. The words may sound the same but dont even mean the same things when used by either side any more.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t not mean I&#8217;m implying some sort of moral equivalences bullshit either. The left&#8217;s ideals are totally dependent upon the destruction of everything the US has ever stood for. Honest leftists will openly and proudly admit this.</p>
<p>Leftists are every bit as much a blood enemy of the US as are the jihadi filth currently following their convictions into the fight against us. The only difference with leftists is that they are, by their vary nature, too cowardly and passive aggressive oriented to actually man up and put their blood where their mouths are.</p>
<p>Eventually that will change. We&#8217;ll see a rebirth of such groups as the Red Brigades, Weathermen Underground, Red Army Faction, etc etc soon enough.</p>
<p>And of course, anyone attempting to stand up against the betrayals, degeneracies, intellectual inbreeding, disinformation, black propagandizing, etc etc of the left is automatically slandered with the fascist label. </p>
<p>To your average leftist, a fascist is anyone that disagrees with them in any way, to any degree on any subject, including breakfast cereal choices.</p>
<p>Racist is used in exactly the same way by those enemy of reality.</p>
<p>The biggest delusion going these days is that there is any real possibility that this rend in our social fabric can ever be peacefully mended.</p>
<p>War is coming. And as usual in such cases, it will be war of the must uncivil sort.</p>
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		<title>By: saltydog</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/01/02/us-uk-russia-prc/comment-page-1/#comment-48862</link>
		<dc:creator>saltydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grimmy, I didn&#039;t say that we live in a fascist society.  I&#039;ve read that bunch of claptrap that B.W. was answering some time ago, and answered it pretty much as he did.  Of course, unlike Bill, I usually hide all evidence of my big, giant brain.  Candle under a bush, or whatever.  I would only disagree that the Bill of Rights is a rock hard guarantee of our rights.  They&#039;ve already set a precedent with McCain-Feingold, which is a blatant instance of government censorship of political speech, which law was written and passed by Congress, signed by Bush, and passed muster with the Supreme Court.  I would say three strikes and we&#039;re out.  The government never sets a precedent without further actions based on that precedent.  

If things were different, if individual rights were still considered a sacred thing by the citizens of this country, I wouldn&#039;t worry.  But that is not the case.  

The time to pay attention is always.  There are always those who are ready to take advantage of power over people.  Remember about eternal vigilance?  I know you&#039;ve paid attention to what has happened to Britain, with their long history of constitutional freedoms.  They&#039;ve accepted ideas that have completely disarmed them.  Most of them, from what I&#039;ve read, don&#039;t recognize that they&#039;ve given up their liberty for nothing.  They even managed to rationalize the terrorists among them.  I should think that Rational Man would know to learn from them before it is too late for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grimmy, I didn&#8217;t say that we live in a fascist society.  I&#8217;ve read that bunch of claptrap that B.W. was answering some time ago, and answered it pretty much as he did.  Of course, unlike Bill, I usually hide all evidence of my big, giant brain.  Candle under a bush, or whatever.  I would only disagree that the Bill of Rights is a rock hard guarantee of our rights.  They&#8217;ve already set a precedent with McCain-Feingold, which is a blatant instance of government censorship of political speech, which law was written and passed by Congress, signed by Bush, and passed muster with the Supreme Court.  I would say three strikes and we&#8217;re out.  The government never sets a precedent without further actions based on that precedent.  </p>
<p>If things were different, if individual rights were still considered a sacred thing by the citizens of this country, I wouldn&#8217;t worry.  But that is not the case.  </p>
<p>The time to pay attention is always.  There are always those who are ready to take advantage of power over people.  Remember about eternal vigilance?  I know you&#8217;ve paid attention to what has happened to Britain, with their long history of constitutional freedoms.  They&#8217;ve accepted ideas that have completely disarmed them.  Most of them, from what I&#8217;ve read, don&#8217;t recognize that they&#8217;ve given up their liberty for nothing.  They even managed to rationalize the terrorists among them.  I should think that Rational Man would know to learn from them before it is too late for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Grimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/01/02/us-uk-russia-prc/comment-page-1/#comment-48861</link>
		<dc:creator>Grimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000169.html#comments

The post at that link does a real good job of demonstrating the irreconcilable differences between the two primary mind-sets dominating today&#039;s discussions.</description>
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<p>The post at that link does a real good job of demonstrating the irreconcilable differences between the two primary mind-sets dominating today&#8217;s discussions.</p>
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		<title>By: saltydog</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/01/02/us-uk-russia-prc/comment-page-1/#comment-48771</link>
		<dc:creator>saltydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it is people who are doing the watching.  It is the existing philosophy that allows the growing Nanny state (a logical outgrowth of the welfare state).  We hand them all the tax money they need, and we allow them to pass laws that abrogates our liberty with barely a shrug (remember McCain-Feingold and the almost total, and &lt;i&gt;now legal&lt;/i&gt;, denial of property rights of individuals by the EPA, the Parks Department, and greedy town councils, among other examples?).  We&#039;ve allowed the Climate Change folks to determine the conversation, with the result that we cannot watch even the most innocuous sitcom without being preached to, and our politicians in both state and federal houses are busy writing laws that further empower them at the expense of our liberty, freedoms, and life.

Orwell would recognize the tools of our oppression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it is people who are doing the watching.  It is the existing philosophy that allows the growing Nanny state (a logical outgrowth of the welfare state).  We hand them all the tax money they need, and we allow them to pass laws that abrogates our liberty with barely a shrug (remember McCain-Feingold and the almost total, and <i>now legal</i>, denial of property rights of individuals by the EPA, the Parks Department, and greedy town councils, among other examples?).  We&#8217;ve allowed the Climate Change folks to determine the conversation, with the result that we cannot watch even the most innocuous sitcom without being preached to, and our politicians in both state and federal houses are busy writing laws that further empower them at the expense of our liberty, freedoms, and life.</p>
<p>Orwell would recognize the tools of our oppression.</p>
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		<title>By: websmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>websmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t we redefine freedom while we&#039;re at it. Guns don&#039;t shoot people and technology doesn&#039;t spy on people. If the desire wasn&#039;t there, the technology wouldn&#039;t be there either.

Knowing someone is going to see me getting mugged makes me feel better too. I figure I&#039;ll make UTube at the least and, if the mugging is really spectacular, I might make network news. The mugger will get a big kick out of this too. So, it&#039;s win, win.

Actually, I would rather have security guards wandering around the parking lot instead of sitting in an office some place watching videos and drinking coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t we redefine freedom while we&#8217;re at it. Guns don&#8217;t shoot people and technology doesn&#8217;t spy on people. If the desire wasn&#8217;t there, the technology wouldn&#8217;t be there either.</p>
<p>Knowing someone is going to see me getting mugged makes me feel better too. I figure I&#8217;ll make UTube at the least and, if the mugging is really spectacular, I might make network news. The mugger will get a big kick out of this too. So, it&#8217;s win, win.</p>
<p>Actually, I would rather have security guards wandering around the parking lot instead of sitting in an office some place watching videos and drinking coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/01/02/us-uk-russia-prc/comment-page-1/#comment-48758</link>
		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a defining characteristic of the current leftist mindset that they scream about government surveillance propensities and yet, at the same time,  want government to control and contain every aspect of your individual existence. 

&lt;b&gt;Liberal Fascism&lt;/b&gt;  (thank you Jonah Goldberg) at its most astonishingly contradictory.

(maybe it&#039;s just a function of which stripe of gov&#039;t, Democrat or Republican, is doing the surveilling)

I guess cameras make the bureaucrats feel more in control.  (Maybe chips under the skin, scanning the eye&#039;s iris and access to &quot;your&quot; private medical information might make them feel more in control, as well.)

Welcome to the Brave New World.

But if civilized society is crumbling, all the cameras in the world aren&#039;t going to stem the tide. London is, reportedly, the most surveilled city in the world, but there has not been any concomitant decline in violent crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a defining characteristic of the current leftist mindset that they scream about government surveillance propensities and yet, at the same time,  want government to control and contain every aspect of your individual existence. </p>
<p><b>Liberal Fascism</b>  (thank you Jonah Goldberg) at its most astonishingly contradictory.</p>
<p>(maybe it&#8217;s just a function of which stripe of gov&#8217;t, Democrat or Republican, is doing the surveilling)</p>
<p>I guess cameras make the bureaucrats feel more in control.  (Maybe chips under the skin, scanning the eye&#8217;s iris and access to &#8220;your&#8221; private medical information might make them feel more in control, as well.)</p>
<p>Welcome to the Brave New World.</p>
<p>But if civilized society is crumbling, all the cameras in the world aren&#8217;t going to stem the tide. London is, reportedly, the most surveilled city in the world, but there has not been any concomitant decline in violent crime.</p>
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		<title>By: RebeccaH</title>
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		<dc:creator>RebeccaH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I despair for the notion of privacy, but it is technology, not governmental snoopery, that is doing us in.  I note on your list that the least intrusive countries are also the least technologically advanced countries.  Wait until they catch up.  In a technological world, we may just have to redefine what privacy means, instead of trying to protect what was probably not all that secure to begin with.

In other words, I don&#039;t care what marketing companies are spying on my viewing and buying habits, as long as I can continue to ignore their efforts to attract my attention.  And I feel more secure in a parking garage where muggers know they&#039;ll be caught on camera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I despair for the notion of privacy, but it is technology, not governmental snoopery, that is doing us in.  I note on your list that the least intrusive countries are also the least technologically advanced countries.  Wait until they catch up.  In a technological world, we may just have to redefine what privacy means, instead of trying to protect what was probably not all that secure to begin with.</p>
<p>In other words, I don&#8217;t care what marketing companies are spying on my viewing and buying habits, as long as I can continue to ignore their efforts to attract my attention.  And I feel more secure in a parking garage where muggers know they&#8217;ll be caught on camera.</p>
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