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		<title>By: Jules Crittenden &#187; American Dream</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/03/12/an-american-story/comment-page-1/#comment-59597</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules Crittenden &#187; American Dream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the happy hooker? Penthouse comes knocking. And she may yet get the musical recognition she craves. Listen, buy her [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/03/12/an-american-story/comment-page-1/#comment-59563</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are awfully harsh. Marriage is not necessarily about sex, nor is sex necessarily about marriage. It is very hard to moralize about other peoples lives without some knowledge of the facts. 

Spitzer deserves the obloquy he has garnered. He was a harsh and self-righteous prosecutor who heaped scorn upon and prosecuted others for the conduct he committed. His family deserves rachmones for the scorn they have received. However the offense to his wife cannot be judged without understanding their marriage, which we do not. Although, I readily concede the public humiliation alone is cause for divorce or a sound beating.

Ms. Dupree (or whatever her name is) is not to my mind an object of censure, nor do I believe she is to be pitied. 

As to censure, I do not think she has necessarily done something wrong. I have known situations where an unmarried woman has commenced an affair with a married man and has knowingly or intentionally wrecked his marriage and caused his wife much pain. That is wrong. But Ms. Dupree, was not that. This was an unemotional and merely physical relationship. She intended no harm to Mrs. Spitzer, and, if there had been no publicity, there would have been no harm. Finer points of revealed morality will be determined by a higher authority in the bye and bye.

As to pity. I am not sure the girl needs that. Streetwalkers often fall prey to their Johns or their pimps. but Ms. Dupree was not a streetwalker. Her hourly rate exceeded most lawyers and even most surgeons, and her investment of skill in her trade is minimal. Perhaps her future looked grim, but that is hard to tell from this distance. 

Of course, for her the dark cloud has a silver lining. According to LGF there have been a million downloads of her music at a profit to her of about $0.70/download. That is a tidy sum, which if prudently managed will serve her her well. She will have other profit making opportunities in the next few weeks before her 15 minutes is up. I wish her well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are awfully harsh. Marriage is not necessarily about sex, nor is sex necessarily about marriage. It is very hard to moralize about other peoples lives without some knowledge of the facts. </p>
<p>Spitzer deserves the obloquy he has garnered. He was a harsh and self-righteous prosecutor who heaped scorn upon and prosecuted others for the conduct he committed. His family deserves rachmones for the scorn they have received. However the offense to his wife cannot be judged without understanding their marriage, which we do not. Although, I readily concede the public humiliation alone is cause for divorce or a sound beating.</p>
<p>Ms. Dupree (or whatever her name is) is not to my mind an object of censure, nor do I believe she is to be pitied. </p>
<p>As to censure, I do not think she has necessarily done something wrong. I have known situations where an unmarried woman has commenced an affair with a married man and has knowingly or intentionally wrecked his marriage and caused his wife much pain. That is wrong. But Ms. Dupree, was not that. This was an unemotional and merely physical relationship. She intended no harm to Mrs. Spitzer, and, if there had been no publicity, there would have been no harm. Finer points of revealed morality will be determined by a higher authority in the bye and bye.</p>
<p>As to pity. I am not sure the girl needs that. Streetwalkers often fall prey to their Johns or their pimps. but Ms. Dupree was not a streetwalker. Her hourly rate exceeded most lawyers and even most surgeons, and her investment of skill in her trade is minimal. Perhaps her future looked grim, but that is hard to tell from this distance. </p>
<p>Of course, for her the dark cloud has a silver lining. According to LGF there have been a million downloads of her music at a profit to her of about $0.70/download. That is a tidy sum, which if prudently managed will serve her her well. She will have other profit making opportunities in the next few weeks before her 15 minutes is up. I wish her well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Bingley</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/03/12/an-american-story/comment-page-1/#comment-59506</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Bingley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;3.) If I understand you correctly, you’re saying that if I have sex with your wife and she gives me $5,000, you won’t be angry with me because I’m not forcing her to do it. If that’s the case, you’re mighty broadminded.&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re not understanding me correctly. If my wife pays you for sex you are the hooker and she is the John (Jane? In which case are you Tarzan?). I said nothing about my feelings towards the hooker (which, fwiw are a mixture of sadness and revulsion) and I think I was pretty clear that I think Johns/Janes are complete scumbags.

I evidently erroneously interpreted your calling of her a &quot;worthless skank&quot; and a &quot;waste of skin&quot; with nary a word about him as being indicative of your relative view of the two of them; my bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>3.) If I understand you correctly, you’re saying that if I have sex with your wife and she gives me $5,000, you won’t be angry with me because I’m not forcing her to do it. If that’s the case, you’re mighty broadminded.</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re not understanding me correctly. If my wife pays you for sex you are the hooker and she is the John (Jane? In which case are you Tarzan?). I said nothing about my feelings towards the hooker (which, fwiw are a mixture of sadness and revulsion) and I think I was pretty clear that I think Johns/Janes are complete scumbags.</p>
<p>I evidently erroneously interpreted your calling of her a &#8220;worthless skank&#8221; and a &#8220;waste of skin&#8221; with nary a word about him as being indicative of your relative view of the two of them; my bad.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/03/12/an-american-story/comment-page-1/#comment-59488</link>
		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Emperors Club website said that their girls could only do a limited number of meetings/month as they were occupied in high academic pursuits...and junque.

Maybe a few of them had to schedule around picking up their kids at school  (that wasn&#039;t mentioned at the website, but was mentioned somewhere)

I guess Kristen (pretty girl) doesn&#039;t fall into either of those categories.  But, at 22 she has a lot of chances to turn around that lifestyle into which she has fallen before it all caves in on her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Emperors Club website said that their girls could only do a limited number of meetings/month as they were occupied in high academic pursuits&#8230;and junque.</p>
<p>Maybe a few of them had to schedule around picking up their kids at school  (that wasn&#8217;t mentioned at the website, but was mentioned somewhere)</p>
<p>I guess Kristen (pretty girl) doesn&#8217;t fall into either of those categories.  But, at 22 she has a lot of chances to turn around that lifestyle into which she has fallen before it all caves in on her.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Surls</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/03/12/an-american-story/comment-page-1/#comment-59465</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Surls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Bingley,

1.)   You don&#039;t have to be sorry.  You&#039;re entitled to your opinion.

2.)  I didn&#039;t say that she was a bigger scumbag than the cheating hubby, I just said she was a scumbag.

3.)  If I understand you correctly, you&#039;re saying that if I have sex with your wife and she gives me $5,000, you won&#039;t be angry with me because I&#039;m not forcing her to do it.  If that&#039;s the case, you&#039;re mighty broadminded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Bingley,</p>
<p>1.)   You don&#8217;t have to be sorry.  You&#8217;re entitled to your opinion.</p>
<p>2.)  I didn&#8217;t say that she was a bigger scumbag than the cheating hubby, I just said she was a scumbag.</p>
<p>3.)  If I understand you correctly, you&#8217;re saying that if I have sex with your wife and she gives me $5,000, you won&#8217;t be angry with me because I&#8217;m not forcing her to do it.  If that&#8217;s the case, you&#8217;re mighty broadminded.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Bingley</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/03/12/an-american-story/comment-page-1/#comment-59444</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Bingley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Dave, I place the weightier amount of blame on the married men who are soliciting women for sex, and thereby not only violating their vows and causing serious psychological harm to their wives and children but also exposing same to various STDs and HIV.

No hooker forces any John to make use of what she offers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Dave, I place the weightier amount of blame on the married men who are soliciting women for sex, and thereby not only violating their vows and causing serious psychological harm to their wives and children but also exposing same to various STDs and HIV.</p>
<p>No hooker forces any John to make use of what she offers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Surls</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/03/12/an-american-story/comment-page-1/#comment-59440</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Surls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I just don’t want to be thought of as a monster&quot;

You&#039;re not really a monster, but you are a worthless skank.  Nothing you&#039;re doing is of any value to the world, and one thing that you are doing is downright harmful (and that&#039;s damaging people&#039;s families by sleeping with married men).

On balance, you aren&#039;t the worst person who has ever come down the pike, but you are a waste of skin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I just don’t want to be thought of as a monster&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not really a monster, but you are a worthless skank.  Nothing you&#8217;re doing is of any value to the world, and one thing that you are doing is downright harmful (and that&#8217;s damaging people&#8217;s families by sleeping with married men).</p>
<p>On balance, you aren&#8217;t the worst person who has ever come down the pike, but you are a waste of skin.</p>
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		<title>By: saltydog</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/03/12/an-american-story/comment-page-1/#comment-59402</link>
		<dc:creator>saltydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Heidi leave a spot in the high-end hooker business?  This girl  was made for Hollywood, and looks like she has the balls to take up the slack.  Surely it doesn&#039;t matter that hers used to belong to the Governor of NY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Heidi leave a spot in the high-end hooker business?  This girl  was made for Hollywood, and looks like she has the balls to take up the slack.  Surely it doesn&#8217;t matter that hers used to belong to the Governor of NY.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Real_JeffS</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/03/12/an-american-story/comment-page-1/#comment-59388</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Real_JeffS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup.  She&#039;s a celebrity now.  Heck, she&#039;ll likely get her own radio talk show!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup.  She&#8217;s a celebrity now.  Heck, she&#8217;ll likely get her own radio talk show!</p>
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		<title>By: RebeccaH</title>
		<link>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/03/12/an-american-story/comment-page-1/#comment-59387</link>
		<dc:creator>RebeccaH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Since the feds broke up the club, sounds like its back to waitressing and couch-surfing for now, though.&lt;/i&gt;

Nah.  She&#039;ll hit a few talk shows, put out a ghost-written book, land a bit part in some TV dramedy, and be a regular on the Hollywood party circuit in no time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Since the feds broke up the club, sounds like its back to waitressing and couch-surfing for now, though.</i></p>
<p>Nah.  She&#8217;ll hit a few talk shows, put out a ghost-written book, land a bit part in some TV dramedy, and be a regular on the Hollywood party circuit in no time.</p>
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